An appeal to 5 point Calvinists in America

The Gospel of John in Greek  © 2014 Simon Peter Sutherland

The Gospel of John in Greek
© 2014 Simon Peter Sutherland

For the time is come, that judgement must begin at the house of God; and if it first start with us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?. ” 1 Peter 4: 17

Dear brothers and sisters in Christ. The time has come for you to re-examine the Scriptures, and cease to deny those which do not reaffirm your message.

Too long have your teachers embraced a loyalty within their hearts to the Separatist theories and histories which landed on your shores so long ago.

Dear brothers and sisters in Christ, I know you love the Scriptures and are loyal to them, but the reason why some of you wrestle with the Scriptures, is because they speak contrary to some of the doctrines of which you hold dear. It is time for change.

Too long have your teachers upheld Scripture in one place, while denying them in another. I know that they are loyal to the Truth and I know they try and be loyal to Scripture, but they have another love in their hearts. The loyalty to their much loved friends and historical people, has taken the pure milk of the word out of their hearts.

Friends; you need not be loyal to the doctrines upheld by your close friends, pastors, beloved teachers, historical people and their books. Our loyalty is to God alone and the Scriptures which He has set in their place. And if a doctrine has no place in Scripture, it should have no place within our hearts.

On the basis of Scripture and in the quest for Truth, I appeal to you to re-think your position with Scripture and plain reason. 

If you open your hearts to what Scripture says, the Scripture will come into you and breathe. But if you shut up your hearts and close your minds, you alone will close them up.

Remember that you who uphold and teach doctrines, will be judged more highly than those who do not . This is why James wrote, “My brethren be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation” (James 3: 1.)

With that Truth in mind, I urge you for the good of yourselves and all people; be not be like those of old who affirmed Salvation for themselves, while denying it for others. All the while, looking at the decline of your own while denying their Salvation at the same time. For, if this be an untruth, you will receive judgement for teaching it.

I appeal to you who know the Scriptures, to spend some time in the close examination of them once again. For it is the Church which is to be judged by the Scriptures, not the Scriptures by the Church. It is the Body of Christ to whom the message of Salvation has been entrusted. And she cannot be alarmed by her country’s denial of Scripture, while she herself denies them too.

I appeal to you this day, to re-examine the Scriptures and seek the Lord who gave them. To seek the Word of the Prophets and Apostles who wrote them down and sent the Words to you by the Power of the Holy Spirit sent from Heaven.

The Scripture says “Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father” 1 Peter 1: 2. Through which is revealed the original purpose of God, to indiscriminately bring Salvation both to Jews and Gentiles, who are elect according to the foreknowledge of God, in which, if it follows that if no man is excluded from calling upon God, Salvation must be ready available for him.

I urge and plead with you to re-examine your hearts and minds and be not like those of old, who were chosen, but in the time of Our Lord did deny salvation for everyone, but themselves alone. They too used Scripture to affirm it.

Brothers and sisters, I plead with you, on behalf of Truth and the souls of those who are perishing and the pure testimony of divine Scripture, ‘gird up the loins of your minds, be sober and repent’. And if you have tasted that the Lord be gracious to you, remember His grace towards others, who were like yourselves, not the people of God, even so should you be merciful, as you yourselves have obtained mercy.

If the doctrine of ‘Limited Atonement’ be true, then it is not a ‘doctrine of Grace’. It is a doctrine of damnation for all those who either cannot, or will not believe in it.

Dearly beloved, judgement is coming, but it will not come until the house of God is set in order first. Time is short, I beseech you, as strangers yet as brothers and sisters, to submit yourselves to every Word of God. And pray, pray, pray.’

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  1. #1 by TJinFL on February 10, 2018 - 6:59 PM

    OK so you reject the doctrines of election and limited atonement. But if the doctrine of the total depravity of man is true then how can totally depraved man come to receive Jesus as Lord and Saviour?? What if true grace is the election of grace for certain elect before the foundations of the world were formed? Rom 7:18  For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.  So no election no salvation for anyone! Yes all are called to respond to the gospel call but only those who God draws (jn 6:44 & 65) and effectually saves by being born again (jn 3:3-7) are truly saved. For many are called but few are chosen Mt 22:14. Can you make sense of Romans 9? They make perfect sense to one who believes in the sovereignty of God in all things especially election.

  2. #2 by simon peter sutherland on February 12, 2018 - 11:07 AM

    Hello, thank you reading my post and for your response and questions.

    These are standard questions. Firstly, before I answer, I would like to point out a few assumptions and errors of your comments, and then I will answer. I have numbered them so we can keep track on any responses and updates. If you could keep to that numbering system, I would appreciate it.

    1) You wrote: “OK so you reject the doctrines of election and limited atonement.”. My answer to that is that I do not reject the doctrine of election. I merely see things differently than the 5 point Calvinistic interpretation of election. Your question is an assumption and an error and because you have assumed that I reject the Biblical doctrine of election because you believe that the Calvinistic interpretation of election is totally Biblical.

    2) You wrote that I reject the doctrine of “limited atonement”. My answer to that is that I do not reject a scriptural expository definition of ‘limited atonement’ but the 5 point Calvinistic interpretation of ‘limited atonement’. My position is, if the atonement is effectual, it has to be limited in application to those who believe. If it were applied to all, effectually, all people would be kept out of hell. So, the atonement in my position, is limited only in application for those who believe. It is never limited in its genuine offer to anyone who believes. The Scriptures repeatedly affirm that Christ died for ‘all’.

    3) Total depravity. I agree that the generic children of Adam are totally depraved. But it does not necessarily follow that being the total depravity of man excludes a majority and offers salvation only to a minority elect. Anyone who is of the generic route of Adam is totally depraved and therefore is in need of salvation (1 Corinthians 15: 22)

    4) You wrote: “What if true grace is the election of grace for certain elect before the foundations of the world were formed?”. The Biblical position that there is a chosen people, does not exclude the whole of mankind. God may well have an elect people, chosen for a task or tasks, but that does not exclude those who are invited. You mention “before the foundations of the world were formed?” There is some discussion on whether or not the translation should be rendered “before” or “from” the foundations of the world. There is a difference.

    5) You mention Romans 7: 18. Yes, I affirm that sinful man, outside of Christ, does not have ‘free will’. His will is to sin, therefore it is not free but a slave to sin. But Paul was here writing about himself, and his natural nature in Adam. He was not writing about the new man in Christ. Does that make sense?

    6) You wrote: “So no election no salvation for anyone!”. I haven’t quite caught the gist of what you meant by that. If you could clarify, I would appreciate it.

    7) You refer to “jn 6:44 & 65”. Yes, all are called proceeding the crucifixion, resurrection and ascension of Jesus. Yes, I think I agree with you but I differ on your historic placing of that calling. When Jesus spoke of the Fathers drawing, He was speaking there in the immediate context of the incarnation of Himself, the Son of God, which at that time the drawing of the Father to the Son was limited. This was updated by Jesus Himself in John 12: 32, where He stated that this power had been given to Him, and from either His crucifixion or ascension He would be the one who draws people to Himself. This He affirmed was for all men, Jews and Gentiles (John 12: 32. Mark 16: 15)

    8) You refer to the Scripture “For many are called but few are chosen Mt 22:14”. The Greek translated ‘called’ is invited and appointed. The Greek translated ‘chosen’ is elect’ meaning selected and favourite. But being elected does not exclude those who might not be elect. In Isaiah 45: 22, God spoke about the Gentiles being invited in. The text could be referring to that. It does not exclude anyone. as Calvin wrote: “No man is excluded from calling upon God, the gate of salvation is set open unto all men: neither is there any other thing which keepeth us back from entering in, save only our own unbelief.”

    A Calvinist might then ask, did Christ not die for unbelief? My answer would be, yes, and unbelief is a problem of all mankind, and can also include believers. if unbelief can be defined as a sin, then yes. He died for all sin, as he died for the sin of adultery, murder, theft, lying and such. But the believer must route out unbelief (Hebrews 3: 12) as he or she must all sins and if any sin is not repented of and if any believer continues wilfully in sin, “there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins” (Hebrews 10: 26-36)

    9) You wrote: “Can you make sense of Romans 9? They make perfect sense to one who believes in the sovereignty of God in all things especially election.”

    Perhaps you can explain the interpretation you believe concerning that text, and hopefully, we can discuss that passage from there? I’ll try and respond when I can.

    Thank you.

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